race rank mystery is driving me nuts

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race rank mystery is driving me nuts

Post by teladianium » Sun, 26. Mar 06, 22:18

I've been playing the Savage Split non-plot game and after capping my way up to a Mamba I've spent a lot of time in Elenas Fortune building up my Argon rank - you start as Argon Confirmed Enemy - so that I could dock in Argon Core sectors and buy a jump drive. Okay after alot of hard work on the enemies I get Federation Associete and buy the jumpdrive.

But.... some Argon fabs and ships still show red in the sector map even tho' I've never been in the sector before. E.g.

1. Getsu Fune. I've just run a Jaguar up there as the Boron hate me and the Arg. Cattle Ranch M beta and Arg. Wheat farm M beta are red but Para. EQ, Split EQ and Arg. Cattle Ranch M alpha are blue.

2. Ocean of Fantasy. Special Weapons Complex alpha is red. All other stations are blue.

3. Home of Light. Advanced Sat. Fact. is red buit all other stations are blue.

4. Elenas Fortune. Free Argon trading station is blue - all other fabs are red.

5. CBSE. A Hept forge, Special Weapons Complex and Light Shield are red and all other fabs blue.

6. Argon Prime. Advanced Satellite Fact and Computer Plant are red, all other facts are blue. About 20, mostly military and customs fighters, are red but all others are blue.

In the Argon core sectors I sometimes see red Argon customs / military fighters that are red but the majority are blue.

My current ranks are:
Master Broker 74%
Master Chief 53%

Argon Federation Associate 92%
Boron Queens Nemesis 98%
Split Family Protector 5%
Para. Friend Priest Duke 41%
Teladi (don't want to talk to you) Maj. Shareholder 7%
Goner Blasphemer 0%

Game: Savage Split 3-15:21

Any ideas what is going on as this is driving me nuts?

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Post by Player. » Sun, 26. Mar 06, 22:34

It seems that the rank system is a little.........confused in X3 :roll:
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Post by BROWN14UK » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 00:04

right here are the ranking system

Ranks in trading:
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X-TREME
Pan-Galactic Tycoon
Tycoon
Super-Magnate
Magnate
Mogul
Capitalist
Master Industrialist
Industrialist
Manufacturer
Master Economist
Economist
Master Broker
Broker
Financier
Petty Financier
Wholesaler
Merchant
Retailer
Petty Retailer
Entrepreneur
Master Dealer
Dealer
Trader
Apprentice Trader
Vendor
Petty Vendor
Hawker
Profiteer
Journeyman
Oppurtunist

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Ranks in fighting:
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X-TREME
Hero
Legend
Overlord
Conqueror
Battlemaster
Crusader
Warlord
Vindicator
Warrior
Militant
Master Chief
Fighter Chief
Specialist
Instructor
Professional
Eagle Eye
Sharpshooter
Marksman
Veteran
Fighter
Skilled
Graduate
Competent
Trainee
Rookie
Novice
Greenhorn
Nuicance
Harmless

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Argon ranks:
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Hero of the Federation
Protector of the Federation
Federation Overwatch
Federation Marshall
Federation Guardian
Trusted Ally
Accepted Adviser
Confirmed Friend
Federation Associate
Federation Member
Citizen
Suspected Foe
Known Antagonist
Confirmed Insurgent
Confirmed Enemy
Enemy of the Federation

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Boron ranks:
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Knight of the Kingdom
King's Protectorate
King's Knight
Queen's Protectorate
Queen's Knight
Queen's Guard
Noble Peer
Trusted Courtier
Accepted Friend
Friend
Acquaintance
Antagonist
Confirmed Advisary
Enemy of Menelaus
Queen's Nemesis
Enemy of the Kingdom

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Paranid ranks:
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Honour Guars of Xaar
Seeker of the Holy Light
Emperor's Protectorate
Friend of Emperor
Priest Protectorate
Friend of Priest King
Friend of Priest Duke
Priest Confidante
Friend of Priest
Friend
Nomad
Unholy Nomad
Tainted Wanderer
Desecrator of the Holy Light
Enemy of Priest Duke
Enemy of Priest Xaar

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Split ranks:
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Honoured Strong Arm of Rhonkar
Honoured Imperator of Rhonkar
Inner Circle of Rhonkar
Privileged Associated of Rhonkar
Family Protector
Distinguished Associate
Family Friend
Comrade
Friend
Know Venturer
Creature
Shameless Creature
Family Outcast
Family Enemy
Enemy of Rhonkar
Enemy of all Split Families

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Teladi ranks:
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Company Director
Venture Capitalist
Venture Profiteer
Company Owner
Company Manager
Majority Shareholder
Shareholder
Company Trader
Company Helper
Profit Oppurtunity
Profit Initiate
Profit Liability
Mercantile Rebel
Commercial Anarchist
Commercial Enemy
Enemy of the Corporation

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Goner ranks:
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Protector of the Goners
Holy Order of the Goners
Goner Evangelist
Goner Preacher
Honoured Pilgrim
Trusted Pilgrim
Faithful Believer
Believer
Follower
Accepted Member
Sceptic
Agnostic
Heathen
Blasphemer
Heretic
Defiler of the Truth

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Post by Goffik » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 00:39

Those lists appear in the manual, but they're not entirely correct. I noticed I was ranked as Assassin in combat the other day. I checked the manual to see where I was, only to find it wasn't in the list. It comes somewhere after Master Chief. Not exactly sure where though, as I gained multiple ranks in a short time while fighting a shed load of Pirates.

Oh, and this is in 1.4. I think I read somewhere that an extra rank had been added... true or no?

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Post by kmiller1610 » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 01:43

The red factories and ships are because you did one or several of the following:

1) Took an assasination mission and did not kill all the ships you faced. Those red ships will be around until you kill them.

2) Hit a friendly ship with enough shots to make him angry at you.

3) Did the same to a friendly factory.....

Getting items in shipyards and equipment docks to lose their red status is simply a matter of rank. I played for 3 months before I could buy a Split Destroyer. Patience grasshopper .........

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Post by Nanook » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 02:01

kmiller1610 wrote:The red factories and ships are because you did one or several of the following:

1) Took an assasination mission and did not kill all the ships you faced. Those red ships will be around until you kill them.

2) Hit a friendly ship with enough shots to make him angry at you.

3) Did the same to a friendly factory.....

Getting items in shipyards and equipment docks to lose their red status is simply a matter of rank. I played for 3 months before I could buy a Split Destroyer. Patience grasshopper .........
Wrong. I'm playing Bankrupt Assassin, and when I enter either Paranid or Boron sectors, some stations are red and others are blue (can't land at either since my reps are too low). I've never visited these sectors before, and even if I had, I hadn't done anything like you suggest. I think that some stations are made randomly red when you first enter a sector, and the number of red ones is probably related to your current race rep. They may eventually change to blue once you keep your rep high enough for a long enough period of time, but that's only a guess. Another way to make them blue, assuming your race rank is high enough, is to hack them from a nearby pirate base (note that this won't work if your overall race rep is too low).
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Post by apricotslice » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 03:08

Something I noticed while modding may shed some light on this.

Different stations have different ranks needed to dock. Each station type has its own docking rank.

So if your race rank happens to be inside the range of ranks needed between "dock at nothing" to "dock at everything", then some will be blue and some will be red.

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Post by SpamSLapper » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 04:50

Goffik wrote:Those lists appear in the manual, but they're not entirely correct. I noticed I was ranked as Assassin in combat the other day. I checked the manual to see where I was, only to find it wasn't in the list. It comes somewhere after Master Chief. Not exactly sure where though, as I gained multiple ranks in a short time while fighting a shed load of Pirates.

Oh, and this is in 1.4. I think I read somewhere that an extra rank had been added... true or no?
My rank changed from Vindicator to Assassin after applying the 1.4 patch. I'd be interested to know what the new rank list is!

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Post by teladianium » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 11:14

sorry KMiller1610, Nanook is right, I've not even been into these some of these sectors much less fired on them.

I did notice that when I first docked at the tading station in Elenas F. that the goods on sale were all showing ranks against them, e.g. Cloth Rimes - Suspected Foe, so you need diff. ranks to buy diff. goods, but again I agree with Nanook that it may be a random thing as in getsu fune there is a cattle ranch that is blue and another that is red.

Being as I'm doing so well at increasing my argon rank now that I've been raised up from Pond Scum level, I might give it a big boost and see if that makes a diff.

thanks for all the replies ppl.

b.

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Post by kmiller1610 » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 12:57

Sorry Gents. Must be a function of that particular game. My bad. Although it's more ignorance than a mistake.

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Post by Lorric » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 13:20

Just to support the original poster - I've had this particular problem in one of my games as well. I posted here and didn't find any solutions to it either. This was back in 1.3, I had started an "Enemy of the State" game, which means that only pirates and Teladi will allow you to dock, everybody else will shoot you on sight.
After getting my reputation to 4th or 5th from the top with a particular race, I would still find red factories in their territories while exploring. And afaik, they stayed red.
I consider it a bug, since it doesnt follow game mechanics as I understand them. If it's a feature, please explain it to me, Egosoft :-)

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Post by apricotslice » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 13:48

Lorric wrote:I consider it a bug, since it doesnt follow game mechanics as I understand them. If it's a feature, please explain it to me, Egosoft :-)
In computer speak, a Feature is actually a Bug that its decided to keep.

In terms of the special starts, I doubt all the implications were thought out. Race ranks in particular. Pirate gets no shipyard. Khaak gets nothing much at all, of own race. Many dont get goner access so no salvage insurance.

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Post by jlehtone » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 13:58

Does the Hacker offer to 'pacify' those stations?

It would be technically possible to turn on the "mad about you" flag on stations around the universe on top of sending the race rep to south pole.

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Post by Texas » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 14:50

Regarding the ships, they can be turned blue if you comm them and apologise for weapons fire.
This worked when I was doing a smuggling run and the cops scanned me.
They left me alone after that.

Was in 1.3 in the plot version but may work in the above circumstances.
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Post by jaeshaw » Mon, 27. Mar 06, 15:50

If I understand how it works correctly, when you have a very low rating with a race (did some damage to the teladi and got refused entry to there systems) almost all stations in all sectore are off limits and you are not allowed to dock at any station (and all race defence forces will be red), as you move up the race ranks you will slowly have access to more stations and be able to buy more produce/equiptment until you hit the 3rd or 4th rank from the top at which time you can buy everthing.

I have docked at a paranid Hept complex and been able to buy the Alpha varient but not the Beta suggesting it changes in stages?

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Post by kmiller1610 » Tue, 28. Mar 06, 10:31

Lorric wrote: After getting my reputation to 4th or 5th from the top with a particular race, I would still find red factories in their territories while exploring.
I think the reason for this is that other races build space stations in Alien sectors. So, there can be a Teladi station in Boron space, etc etc etc...

After all, Kyle Brennan, an Argon, does build stations throughout the galaxy.

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Post by jlehtone » Tue, 28. Mar 06, 10:43

kmiller1610 wrote:After all, Kyle Brennan, an Argon, does build stations throughout the galaxy.
I do not think that Kyle is Argon. Terran perhaps. Julian, his son, is probably half-Argon.


I had an "odd reds" too, but not of stations. I did send a Disco Hauler from Family Njy to CBSW to get an another pair of jumpdrive+transporter. (Gotta get a TL). The Disco flew through Menelaus (west of CEO Buck, north of Rolk's). I was watching the sector map remotely, because I have flown through that sector only once in the first hours of the game with simplex scanner. There were three red Barracudas there. No other ship of mine has visited that sector, ever. I would understand if there would have been an assassination, friendly fire, or other, but the relations from Xtreme start were not hostile. :o
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Post by Keatsy » Wed, 12. Apr 06, 23:32

I do not think that Kyle is Argon. Terran perhaps. Julian, his son, is probably half-Argon.
The BBS is there for a good reason. Those of us whove spent time reading these things while waiting for ships to dock and such will know. I think i read this at the Goner temple, but the Argons are Terrans, but named in honour of "R. Gunn", you found his ship in X2, not played nay before that, so i dunno much about him. but yeah, check the BBS and read the stories and news reports they put in, you get some interesting onformation, not to mention tips on where a gap in the market for space stations opend up.

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Re: race rank mystery is driving me nuts

Post by thefollower » Fri, 10. Dec 10, 01:22

teladianium wrote:
6. Argon Prime. Advanced Satellite Fact and Computer Plant are red, all other facts are blue. About 20, mostly military and customs fighters, are red but all others are blue.

In the Argon core sectors I sometimes see red Argon customs / military fighters that are red but the majority are blue.
Now I know that there are blue and red military.

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